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meredith:hello, everyone. meredith dykstrahere, your host for cellular healing tv. welcome. this is episode 127. so excited you’re joiningus. we have dr. dan pompa on the line, of course, our resident cellular healing specialist,and today we have a very special guest for you. his name is michael payne. he is an expertin autism and lyme disease. we’re going to be really delving deeply into those topicstoday. before we get started here, let me tell youguys a little bit more about michael. michael payne is the founder of living well todayinternational and the creator of solamar solution. he graduated from the medical college of virginiaat vcu with a master’s degree in rehabilitation and is a visionary thinker about the disordersof the 21st century complex patient.

michael has been engaged for many years inhelping families with autism and lyme disease. with a synergistic blend of functional medicine,restorative endocrinology, and bio-therapeutics, michael is known as an innovator in autoimmuneand neurological rehabilitation. he’s a popular speaker and has been featured at thelyme induced autism conference, several zyto conferences, and many autism organizations,and national radio shows. welcome, michael. we’re so excited to have you on cellularhealing tv. michael:thank you. thank you. it’s veryexciting to be here. i get to talk to people who are smart and need to know the messageabout autism and lyme. dr. pompa:listen, these are some of our favoritesubjects here on cell tv. why? it’s a cellular

problem, and we’re going to talk about that.michael:all right. dr. pompa:you know, michael, you’ve beendoing this a long time. you lined up with our cellular message, and you’re one ofour really important, core doctors doing this work and making a difference. first of all,we want to thank you for being on the show, and we want to thank you for the work thatyou’re doing. you’re spreading this message, and we are truly grateful for that.you know, michael, i always love starting by asking this conversation. okay. how inthe world did you get involved with lyme and autism? come on. these are the most controversialtopics out there. you must have a big target on your back, and here we come. why thesetwo?

michael:until this show, i’ve made very– the past five years, i’ve decided not to be very well known, and i tried to covermy footprints. dr. pompa:very smart.michael:we were on that way, and so here’s how we got into it. in nineteen – whateverit was – 1992, i actually broke my neck, and i was paralyzed. i was an investment bankerfor 20 years. dr. pompa:oh, wow!michael:in ’93, i couldn’t really come out of the house for a couple years – well,for a year. then i went to therapy, and someone said, “well, if you’re not going to bewho you’re going to be, who are you going to be?” i went to a place called medicalcollege of virginia, and they said, “you

ought to meet with the head of the department.”i started just taking classes, and one day, i had a degree. i’m really not sure howthat happened. i kept working at it and working at it.one day, a woman named – a local doctor, who is famous for autism. i said, “you know,i think i can help the kids. i think we know something of -inaudible-â medicine. it’snot just about giving them an antibiotic, or klonopin, or something of that nature,and trying to cover the symptoms. i think they have significant gut issues.” i hadlearned about that in a place called functional medicine. all of us kind of know who jeffbland is. dr. pompa:yep. yep.michael:some of my friends would get in cars,

and we’d drive around, and follow jeff bland.the first time i ever went to the meeting, it wasn’t really – i couldn’t understandthe words, but i basically flicked my bic, and went just something like a 1968 concert.the bottom line was he was very intelligent, and his words helped heal me because i usedthings that were anti-inflammatory. i used a lot of things to rebuild bone and connectivetissues. it was functional, not necessarily bio – not necessarily medical.functional medicine was where we started, and i did that for my own. i’m a prettyselfish guy until i started getting at the 5,000 kids with autism. you can only imagine,as an investment banker, that i might be that way. i really did it for myself if you reallywant to know the truth. by 1998, i had enough

energy to maybe try something, so i startedwandering back into – some reason, they let me in this medical school downtown, andi got a degree in brain and spinal cord rehabilitation. dr. pompa:yeah. that’s awesome. somehow,you ended up in our cellular world. michael:yeah. it’s kind of interesting.when you’re working with the most difficult people on the planet, lyme, autism, lou gehrig’s– i don’t do alzheimer’s. there’s a certain trend – i work with parkinson’s.i work with actually several what you would call als, i guess. we see, actually, an underlyingtheme.â as we drilled down, we went through functional medicine. i’m a homeopath, ora homotoxicologist. they’d just written an article about me in europe called wavesof the future. i use laser, and hyperbaric,

and liveo2 oxygen. i kept drilling down, anddrilling down, and then you appeared. i used to actually speak for a network marketingcompany that had some zeolites, and they actually worked pretty good, but not really where wewanted to go. then this whole idea of fractionating it downto a smaller piece – the way i explain it to my patients is we started with a basketball,and we went to a volleyball, and then we went to a ping-pong ball. now, we’re down toa bb to get into the cells and actually clean up the cells. as my life progressed over thispast 15 years and 10,000 patients, i just had a passion for making their lives better.we kept drilling down and drilling down. we have a comprehensive rehabilitation program.i don’t treat lyme. i don’t treat any

of it. i treat neuro-immune dysfunction causedby cellular toxicity. when you came out with your studies and your message, i said, “well,this guy sounds just like me. i think i will – as opposed to recreating it, i’d liketo get on this – in this train of thought and see how we can further this program inorder to help people because that’s where the problem is.”we got down to autism about five, six years ago, and we started running mitochondrialdisorder type blood testing. it turned out, i would say 80% of them could measure mitochondriadysfunction. if you don’t start there, the rest of it is just a waste – not a wasteof time, but it’s – you get violent, vicious cycles in autism.dr. pompa:it’s remarkable. years ago, in

my research, when i literally started comingup with the 5 rs – and i could never say that i came up with it because the way itwas organized, i’m telling you, god spoke through me. however, when i started researchingthis, it really was a cell energy problem, and so much of it focused on mitochondria.just thinking past shows, i talked to dr. joe mercola. our whole focus was the mitochondria.if you bring up the mitochondria to joe mercola, he literally starts wagging his tail, andhe almost comes out of his skin, literally. i’m telling you, it’s –michael:i’ve been in the same room with joe, and he does have a tail. i will agreewith that. dr. pompa:he wags that tail. he gets darnexcited. he really has a great heart to make

a difference, and he experiments –michael:he’s a warrior. dr. pompa:he’s a warrior. he really is,and he experiments on himself. i do stuff to my kids to experiment on.michael:yeah. dr. pompa:it’s easier than just – yeah.then i interviewed thomas seyfried. cancer, it’s a metabolic issue, right? warburg,all the way back in the early 1900’s, showed this is a mitochondrial issue. for those laypeoplewatching this right now, your mitochondria is where you produce all of your cellularenergy. i’m telling you, it is under attack today. whether it’s lyme disease, whichwe’ll get to, or autism – and then, hey, meredith? you sent me over – and michael,i’ll send it over to you – just a great

article where they’re examining the research.i’m just looking at it now. this person who wrote the article was disturbedby the fact that they hear all of this research on the mitochondria and how it’s linkedto all these different conditions and diseases, and yet, they weren’t talking about toxins,the medications, and even the vaccinations that are really damaging the mitochondria.they kind of surfaced over it. meanwhile, this is what all the studies are showing,and yet because the drug companies don’t want to go there, we’re not hearing it inthe media what’s happening to the mitochondria because of toxins, michael. like i said, eventoxins from medications and vaccinations, doctor-given, iatrogenic disease, where they’recausing the illness – but even the toxins

from our environment.unfortunately, people are [slaying] over it, but that’s the issue, michael, is that people’smitochondrias aren’t working. they’re dysfunctioning. yes, it leads to cancer. yousaid it in the beginning of this show. you said we see this – basically all these neuro-degenerativeissues that are happening in adults. really, it’s adult autism. it’s the same problem,right, michael? what are you seeing there? michael:it really is. there’s specific partsof the brain. it starts by the fact if you have a leaky gut, you have leaky veins, andeventually, you have a leaky brain. dr. pompa:that’s right.michael:actually, in the vargas studies at john hopkins, you would see that inflammatorycytokines – even if you still believe in

the blood-brain barrier, inflammatory cytokinesgo to the midbrain area and start to dysregulate your circadian rhythms. they then alter theway you have memory, mood, and behavior, and this inflammation in the midbrain area actuallycauses the beginning of all that tissue damage. parkinson’s is called neurofibrillary entanglement.that is a slow burn, basically, of the substantia nigra.you go to probably still some of the chemistries in autism, but – not autism, but alzheimer’s.what you see is this instant inflammatory rush through the brain either by virus orby, again, iatrogenic issues that we might be putting young children through. basically,what it starts to do is this inflammatory issue specifically in the midbrain, the meninges– and that’s where the study is. you would

like this study that i have. it’s nih anduniversity of virginia. they have discovered and have everything that they have to say.they have discovered that the brain has immune system in it.dr. pompa:ah! meredith:hmm.michael:hmm. strangely enough, because it was so hard to see – it was lymphatic drainage.because it was so hard to see, they didn’t know it was there. then i got 100 responsessaying, “well, don’t they know this in europe, mike? you’ve been saying this for10 years.” i used to be on a homeopathic board called guna, and i worked with gunaquite a bit. they talk about cytokines, chemokines, and all this signaling between the nervoussystem and the immune system as your first

defense.what happens is when you’re young, especially, you can’t defend yourself against everythingthat we’re throwing at these young kids. their blood-brain barrier isn’t fully developedfor probably two years. it doesn’t matter what the infection is, but then we come out,and we just systematically start the process. you see it in genetically modified foods.you see it in using antibiotics and imbalancing the microbiome, which generates its own setof problems. then you see it in viruses that are attached to certain things like cytomegalo,epstein-barr, and the rest. you’ve got a constant assault against the immune system.i think this is the most important thing to understand. the immune system says, “hey,i need some help.” there’s a feedback

loop, and that’s where the signaling isand that new thing they discovered, lymphatic drainage. they said the nervous system hasits own immune system. wow! there is a feedback, and so the feedback then says, “hey, i’min trouble down here.” dr. pompa:that’s right.michael:here’s the homeopathic version of it. the body gets tired of defending itself,so it adopts to a non-response. it adopts to a non-response leaving opportunistic infectionsin a way to take over the microbiome. then we start generating inflammatory cytokinesthan end up in the brain, end up in joints, end up everywhere.dr. pompa:yeah. for our viewers, cytokines, it’s part of the immunity, right? cytokinesdrive inflammation to protect itself from

a virus or any type of invader. however, whenit becomes chronic, now we have cytokines driving inflammation chronically. now we haveinflammation chronically in the brain, gut, wherever. now we have massive interferenceand massive disruption at the cellular level. okay. let’s take the conversation further.michael:okay. dr. pompa:we know this is happening, so great.what are we doing about it? this is a different approach than the medical field is doing,obviously. i don’t know what they’re doing at this point, if anything at all.michael:i think there’s room for all of us in this if we can get standing, but thisis really good science. this is not some kind of guy standing on the corner going, “iwent to this school or this school – or

i’ve got an online degree, and” – itis real science, and it’s science yet to be seen mainly because nobody’s studiedthe brain. there was a release today that they mappedthe brain. there’s 100 new regions they didn’t know. of course there is. it’scalled the default mode network. there’s all kinds of microglia and all that kind ofstuff that are carrying message, and it’s a pulse message. when the cells are dirty,there’s mitochondria reactivity in the brain, there’s oxidated stress. then it fills withthings like aldehyde, ammonia. in the mold people, what we’re seeing is you’re makingyour own carbon monoxide. dr. pompa:yeah.meredith:hmm!

michael:you can only imagine a brain steepedin carbon monoxide trying to think or behave. you don’t have any point of reference, andyou don’t have any way to create learning, memory, or behavior that is a responsible– in a responsible way. dr. pompa:you know what, michael? you know,my message is, look, you have to fix the cell to get well, but more specifically, you haveto detox the cell to get well. what you said is so true. we have a faulty cell. the cellitself is making energy and not able, once it’s dysfunctioning, to get rid of the verytoxins it makes. then the cell becomes more and more toxic. you’re saying is the brainis becoming more and more toxic. it’s starts producing even more toxins like carbon monoxide,ammonia, all of these things. they start building

up, and this is the key. really, detox, again,we have to upregulate cell function so it can do the job of getting rid of these things.again, a colon cleanse is not – or a juice cleanse is not going to change what you justdescribed in the brain. michael:it is not because it’s kind of trappedin there, and you need special kind of ideas to provoke the release. the first thing iscell nutrients, and atp, and that sort of stuff is really important. we’ve got someother ways of dealing with that. one of the things that also happens – it’s just likewhat you say in your education pieces. the first thing that happens is the cell becomesoverwhelmed. it then goes into a state of oxidative stress. it can’t carry the energyfrom the energy source into what – basically,

there’s a fuel barn over at the nuclearpower plant in here, and they carry the fuel called atp over to the incinerator on, say– let’s just call it a john deere tractor, which is really called a chaperone molecule.you can’t complete the synthesis, so you don’t have enough energy. the cell becomesoverwhelmed, and then the cell becomes toxic. you’ve got to feed the cell. you’ve gotto reduce the inflammation. you got to feed the cell to make sure it’s starting to dowhat it’s supposed to do. dr. pompa:absolutely.michael:then you clear the oxidative stress, and that’s where you have made a big difference.dr. pompa:r number 4 is inflammation oxidation. you have to clear that. r number 3 is whatyou just described, the atp. that’s restoring

cellular energy. yeah, no doubt. it’s funnybecause you and i had the methylation conversation. in the autism world, that was the big thing,identifying the mthfr genotypes. we thought we solved the whole problem. as it turnedout, okay, great. all these autistic kids have methylation issues, right?michael:right. it helped some. dr. pompa:yeah. it’s just a part of thepicture. it’s one part of the picture, i should say. if you don’t deal with theseissues, then what’s going to happen? nothing. michael:we had to continue to drill down.i ran over 750 genetics tests from 2004 to 2007.dr. pompa:yeah. michael:i went, “okay. i don’t think it’sgoing to take us anywhere.”â there were

people who did it infinitely much better thani did. right brain or left brain, whatever it is, said that theyâ -inaudible-.dr. pompa:listen, amy ascough did it better than any of us, right? my gosh!michael:mm-hmm. i didn’t want to use her name in case, but i was the amy ascough darlingfrom 2003 to 2006. nobody else was paying attention to her, and i said, “i don’twant to do this dan! method anymore. i actually left my dan! doctor that i was working withand became the amy ascough darling until about 2006. i ran about 750 panels.dr. pompa:you went through the same evolution i did with autism, right? it was that thedans protocol – the basic core of that was fish oils and probiotic, right?michael:yeah. right.

dr. pompa:there was a few other nuances, butthat was pretty much it. michael:i’m so glad because i wasn’t verybright in those days. yeah, that’s what it was.dr. pompa:people are still doing that, thinking they’re going to get the result. then itwent to the genetic thing. we both came out of that realizing, “okay. we’re reallynot any further along as far as really helping these cases,” so same evolution we wentthrough. now, here we are today, both at the cell, going, “this is the issue.”michael:mm-hmm. this is the issue, and there’s so much richness of what we need to continueto do there. some of the things that we’ve wrapped around that is actually pulse technologiesthat were supported. they call them rife machines,

and tesla lights, and things like that. wedo all of them, but the reality is – and we’re waiting to see. we’re building ourown kind of equipment through a lot of expert engineers around the world to see how thiscan be restorative. most people think about it just killing things,but there are restorative frequencies to the cell. you and i both know that the cell gate,the calcium channels and other things, are gated by a voltage. until you clear the metabolicwaste inside the cell, there’s no way to recharge the voltage. the voltage opens andcloses the calcium channel. dr. pompa:yeah.michael:there’s something called a g alpha protein that regulates that. we’ve got toturn that one on, as well, to enhance detoxification

and removing the metabolic waste. there maybe more to it. dr. pompa:it’s such a relief and a breathof fresh air when you resonate with someone else that realizes that true detox is a cellularissue. you kept saying that word. “we have to get the cell to remove the debris. we haveto get the cell” – yes! yes! that’s the truth. really, that’s what my 5 rs isis that roadmap. remove the sources, right? michael:that’s right.dr. pompa:â r number 2 is we have to regenerate these membranes, the outer and that mitochondrialmembrane. that leads right into r 3, restoring cell energy. you said it. we’re reducingthe oxidative stress and inflammation, and then finally methylation. finally, methylation.michael:finally, methylation. i spent years

talking about, “well, yeah. that is a comt.if we’re going to get the mthfr to talk to the cmt, and the cbs, and the suox, wehave to make it work a certain way, and we have to enter these in at a certain time.”it just didn’t work. dr. pompa:yeah. no. it’s too complex. michael,my gosh, it’s like every few months that we realize, “oh, there’s another pathwaythat adapts to this pathway, and this new” – we’re so far behind.michael:what i called it was we’re in the middle of a spinning rubik’s cube, and wejust hope all the colors line up on one side sometime. that’s basically what it was.dr. pompa:it’s true. ultimately, i think we love the complexity of things. however,the answer is always something more simple

than that. how about remove the interference,and the body does the healing, honestly? it sounds trite, but it is honestly that simple.we have to go all the way upstream and say, “okay. we know this is breaking in the cell.we know that cells are malfunctioning. what’s causing it, and what can we do to fix it andremove it?” no. it’s not looking at the next genome – rubik’s cube, that’s forsure. michael:that’s where we came. then whena lovely doctor that we’ll be working with – and again, medical people need to knowabout it, as well as rehabilitation people. they should be working side-by-side with thisidea. dr. pompa:yeah, no doubt.michael:dr. caldwell, between us, we’ve

seen 30,000 autistic kids. she’s seen 20;i’ve seen five or ten. it’s been really important. we’ve got a couple, again, thatevery time – a couple of kids that we’ve introduced it to very rapidly, and it’sbeen very good. some of the great examples of what we’ve experienced already is whenwe added the homeopathic remedies staged in just after we’ve gotten the cell a littlecleansed. we’ve been able to kind of – not kind of, but specifically remove remnantsof cytomegalovirus. again, i don’t know if i want to be saying that on any kind ofyoutube. we’ve been able to mitigate the infection, and people stop crashing from theircmv infection, or ebv. the other ones have been actually even moremetabolic. a 62-year-old woman who – just

so much clearer in her thinking. she’s beena health nut forever, and at this point, the clarity in her thinking, the brain fog – sowhat i think it’s doing is removing the ammonia, even as well as the aldehydes.dr. pompa:yeah. michael:we’ll get data on that as time goesby. probably the most interesting one is this 60-year-old doctor who had lyme. she’s notby you, but she’s on the west coast, there – that we work with. auto crash, brain injury,been in recovery for a number of years. i’ve had her for the last two years. between thisand some homeopathic remedies that we use, she actually had a big response just thispast week in her thinking. strangely enough, it is cytodetox plus bind. it really doeshelp. i think you’ve got to have a binder

and –dr. pompa:the cytodetox, you referenced in the very beginning of our conversation. it’sunique because not only does it get into the cell, it crosses into the brain. it’s aunique particle because it does bind a lot of these wastes that you’re talking about,the ammonia, these very small particles, even biotoxins. there’s research even showinghow it can bind virus and these types of things. it’s really an interesting particle to workwith, something that goes into the cell, cleans up the cell, but also the brain.when you put it in a system that we call true cellular detox, where we’re grabbing itto make sure it goes all the way out of the body, it has to be at the cornerstone of whatwe do. i’m interested, michael, and i know

that our viewers are, as well, some of thepulsed therapy that – you’re a real expert here. we get it. some of our viewers understandrife machines for killing, and you’ve mentioned that. hitting the same frequency, and viruses,lyme, spirochetes, they can die. that technology has been around for a long time.you mentioned the healing component of some of these. we’ve heard, maybe, pemf, different– there’s all types of different frequency machines. how do they work? what do they do?what are some really good ones that you might recommend to our viewers that could be partof their therapy? michael:yeah. that’s a really great question,and thank you for letting me talk about it. we’ve been at it about six years. the reasonis, again, we kept getting to these places

where we couldn’t push through the barrier.what we needed to do is find a pulsing idea, and a pulse. that’s the key.the first thing that we do with it is we restore collagen. think about it, doctor. the firstplace that all of this injures is basically the collagen. the collagen is the base regulatingsystem of the body. once the cell is healthy, we really need to have that to be able totravel. guess where it travels. it travels across the ligaments. it travels across thecollagen. even your bones are very much alive because it has a periosteum around it. that’scollagen. frequency is traveling through your collagen to restore those cells.dr. pompa:yeah. i know pemf is a pulsed electromagnetic type of frequency. is that one of the devices,just one? there’s many, and i know [00:28:16]

michael:we have that as actually secondary.i’ll tell you who we use. we use pulsed technology in plano, texas, and we use bcxultra. the people thank me for both of those. it facilitates a more rapid healing. whatwe’re trying to do is restore the energy flow because you’ve been cut off for solong, you don’t even know how to retrain the energy. something like a frequency of1028 restores collagen. when it restores collagen, now that you have your cell healthy, it cansend a message – you have 45 brain cells in your heart – 45,000 brain cells in yourheart. if the collagen is healthy, the information can travel back and forth.dr. pompa:it’s a unique way to r number 3. i always say that if we don’t restorecellular energy, it’s very difficult even

to get anything else working in the cell.it’s impossible to detox. it’s impossible to downregulate inflammation of the cell.this is an interesting way, it sounds like, to get the energy going. is that really thewhole point of it? michael:the whole point of it – there’stwo kind of energy that you’re really going to see in the future. one is pulse technologies,and two is biophotonic. what that means is laser. a lot of chiropractors have lasers,but yet again, all they do is use it to manage pain and a few things like that. there’splaces in the brain that should be treated, as well.for that one, we use a 250-watt laser, a 100-watt laser, which sounds very powerful, even a45-watt laser if you can’t afford the other

ones, and basically, that allows, again, theinformation to flow through the system. it pushes out, especially in the mitochondria– you should be more interested of laser. the light comes into the mitochondria andconverts from light to energy. it restores energy in the mitochondria. laser’s a fantasticone, but you got to expand your vision of how you’re going to use it.dr. pompa:yeah. what are some of your favorite lasers for that very purpose?michael:i’m very limited in that one. a couple of mine are actually – but the q.lightis very good. i don’t go up to the $45,000 lasers. i do have a $22,000 that’s madeby a person here in richmond, virginia. dr. pompa:i’m just wondering, it’s like,“okay. great.” a lot of our docs use these

things, like you said, probably more for painthan even the folks that you’re talking about as far as getting the mitochondria toproduce the atp that it needs. is there anything on the market for just the average user thatthey could purchase that’s in a reasonable price range?michael:yeah, q.light, between $3,000 and $5,000. it has –â yeah – not 22,000. the22,000s are – i think they’re reserved for people who have to really treat difficultcases. dr. pompa:right. i want our viewers to see,too, it’s a piece of this puzzle, right? remember, this is one r.michael:it is one often – i’m glad you talked about it, but it is, in fact, one r.dr. pompa:yeah. it’s really unique. this

science here interests me greatly. i’vefollowed rife for lyme for years. i had an old doug coil rife machine. it still works.you’re using some of the rife technology not just to kill bacteria, lyme disease, etcetera,but you’re using some of the rife technology for stimulating healing?michael:yes. when you go to higher frequencies, not just at 727 or any of those kind – someof the machines that i have are generating frequencies at 39,000.dr. pompa:what are some of the lyme frequencies that actually resonate at the same frequencylyme does? what are some of those frequencies? michael:forty thousand will push it out, 40,000hertz, or if you go down to six – if your machine does six, ten, or forty, it’s agood start. it’ll start healing the body

in a way – it’ll bring it to a highervibratory rate so there won’t be any, shall we say – your body will heal itself. it’llpush everything out. forty thousand is my favorite because everybody gets better. nobodygets bored in a meeting if you play 40,000 across the room. everybody just starts getting– but you can go down to 10,000. you can go down to 6,000. we’ve been up as highas 300,000 for certain – like ehrlichia and those kind of things.there’s a woman named charlotte [bone], or [char-bone] and nina silver. if peopleneed to do a lot of reading, nine silver’s book is the definition of frequency medicinefor lyme disease. dr. pompa:you could pick up rife machines– there’s always rife machines for sale.

if you get on these lyme logs – people havepicked them up for $500. again, people use them, and then stop using them, and they sellthem. it’s kind of like the exercise equipment you see -inaudible-.michael:the reason that they’re selling them is because they got rife fatigue becauseof all the literature, really, saying, “let’s blow these things up. let’s blow these thingsup.” none of them talk about restoring brain function and neuro-immune communication. that’swhat we’re leaders in. dr. pompa:exactly. that’s why i wanted youto talk about it because i think that people have to understand this is a whole new technologyusing this type of machine. okay. what are some of the frequencies that you’re usingfor that, healing these – getting the brain

to heal – i should say, the body to healthe brain? michael:again, they have to be higher frequencies,and they’re between 40,000 and 60,000. you really have to go much higher. you have tohave a machine that will generate them. the first thing is i have personal frequencies,and i could go get those for you, to be honest with you, but it’s kind of like having acell phone. i don’t know what my wife’s phone number is right this minute. i justhit a button because i programmed it in a long time ago.dr. pompa:exactly. it’s so true. yeah. michael:i’m just going to tell you it’s40,000. if you don’t know,â 40,000 is the number.dr. pompa:hey, people love this. this is great.

i guarantee you we have a lot of viewers whohave these machines, use these machines. i’m always asked the question, and i’m like,“hey, look. i’m not the expert here.” i use one. i have a lot of my clients whouse them, but there’s a lot of experimentation that has to go along with finding the rightfrequencies. michael:it might be,â because i just don’twant to say it online. sorry. dr. pompa:i don’t blame you. that’s exactlyright. okay. with the autism cases and what we can easily make this transition into lyme– meredith, you look like a little angel sitting there.michael:you did.â what is that? meredith:the sunshine is beaming in, so it’svery dramatic.

michael:i thought i was back at lourdes havinga whatever you call it – and ascension moment. meredith:oh, a spiritual experience here oncellular healing tv. dr. pompa:i was worried that you were ascending.i was worried that you were being raptured out at this very moment.michael:my real worry was they gave a rapture, and i didn’t get to go.meredith:awww!â we don’t want you to miss out.dr. pompa:michael and i are left here. it’s so funny because i was reading the bible thismorning, and that was actually one of the places i was reading. it talked about therapture in matthew. i was just always perplexed by how that’s all going to happen. but anyways,that’s another subject. we got off track.â 

michael:that is another subject, but i gota long story there to tell you. i actually used to run these things called emmaus walks,and then i went and actually walked in the wilderness for 40 days in a placed calledspain, northern spain. meredith:fasting? did you fast?michael:are you kidding? i tried, but i can’t speak to an angel right now and say that idid fast all the way. i really had a lot of pistachios and native cheese. i walked froma place called lourdes to a place called santiago. dr. pompa:over your left shoulder, there’san angel, and then of course meredith looking all angelic, this is very…meredith:we have angels on the show today. we have a very spiritual presence here.michael:yes. that’s good. that’s good.

dr. pompa:no doubt. listen. the work thatyou’re doing is amazing. ultimately, we got to fix this brain and this brain, andultimately, it boils down to fixing the cell. tell us a little bit more before we transitioninto some of these lyme cases, which is a modern-day epidemic. anything else that ourautistic viewers or kids with autism should know?michael:yeah. it is a neuro-immune communication issue. the gut is wrapped in all kinds ofimmunity and brain cells. there has to be feedback between the brain and the gut. now,that’s been easily said, but that’s really autoimmune. there’s so much junk in thecells and so much debris along the gut-associated lymphoid tissue that they always have highhistamines and cytokines, and they’re always

in a state of inflammation, which basicallyseparates or creates a separation between memory, learning, and behavior – the centersof the brain responsible for memory, learning, and behavior.they are fully functional. they’re very bright. they just happen to be separated fromcertain functions in their brain. i have great hope that i’m still working towards somethingthat will help them. you can talk about all of it, but until we really clean up the process,healthy mommy, healthy baby, and be concerned, and be critical, like andrew wakefield talksabout – we’re not badmouthing vaccines. just examine and see what their role willbe. dr. pompa:yeah. people just need to do theinvestigation for themselves. the movie, vaxxed,

that wakefield put out, everybody needs tosee that movie. it’s not an anti-vaccine movie. all it is is that william thompson,the gentleman who worked for the cdc, basically was told to fudge the numbers, change thenumbers, to make it look like there’s no connection with vaccination. that’s reallywhat the movie’s about. it’s about a cover-up. it’s part of an education, i think, thatall of us need. the pediatricians interviewed in that movie,they said, “well, of course i believe the cdc. well, of course. these people are brilliantat the cdc.” yet when they saw what happened, they, too, were stunned that the governmentbody there to protect us was fudging numbers. look, i just tell people educate themselves,michael. i’m not telling you to vaccinate,

not vaccinate. i’m telling you you bettermake wise choices today. michael:right. i’ve just got to say as theyears have gone by, i can’t really – i’m probably saying the same thing some governmentguy might say. it’s so multi-factorial at this point. the vaccines may just be the tippingpoint. dr. pompa:no. i agree. listen, i agree. idon’t think the vaccines in and of themselves are the only problem. i think that kids bornwith massive lead levels to moms who have lead, have silver fillings in their mouth– dump their mercury into the child. i could go on and on. the fact is you’re right.autism is an autoimmune condition. we know that moms that are autoimmune, their chanceof having a baby that are autoimmune or babies

that are vaccine-damaged go through the roof.we are in an epidemic of toxins that are damaging the cell, and that’s this show, right? thevaccine is the thing – it’s just one more thing. i do not believe –michael:to step back from that just a little bit and say, i think in april when i cometo your conference, we’ll be announcing healthy mommy/healthy baby program worldwidebecause i’d like to have people 27 months is what i’d like to have them. i’d liketo detox them for nine months, clean them up, get them ready, get the hormones balances,get the starbucks out of their system, and birth control pills, and actually remove thedebris and the remnants homeopathically of the abhorrent vaccines.healthy mommy/healthy baby has been one of

our programs, but we just haven’t launchedit. we just do it locally. we’re going to use your pieces as a core for many – we’regoing to have many wrappers around it. healthy mommy/healthy baby should be one of them.autism should be another one. dr. pompa:yeah, no doubt. absolutely. look,it’s generational. lead affects four generations. we got lead out in the 1970s. four generationsphysically inherit it from mother to child. it’s genetically inherited because it’sturning on certain genes, and it will affect four generations from the 1970s, just bringingit out alone with the four generations, approximately 300 to 400 years.we’ve been a mercury generation from mom to baby, and now the glyphosate generation,which we know glyphosate’s being sprayed

on everything that we’re eating, puttingin our bodies. seneff’s work showed that it makes these heavy metals and other toxinsgo where? deep into the brain, into the tissue. man, i tell you, this is where we have towake up. if we want to affect autism, we better affect the mother’s health. i could notagree with you more. it starts with a healthy mother, man. i’m on that, as well.michael:it’s not their fault, but if they want to reduce the chances of that baby interactingwith the current environmental toxins, the generational environmental toxins, then weneed to do something about it. dr. pompa:it’s not their fault. absolutely.i couldn’t agree more, michael. okay. lyme disease, there’s nothing more controversial.i remember it wasn’t but 10 years ago that

standard medicine said it didn’t even exist,michael. how far have we come? michael:kris kristofferson said he had it,and christina aguilera said she had it. when important people get it, maybe somebody willlisten. it’s particularly bad – it started on the east coast, and the birds migrated.when i used to be called into a place called albany, new york, they’d drive me out, andi’d see 40 people, and give a talk on new ways of dealing with lyme and autism, mainlylyme in that case. there’d be generations of lyme disease peoplethat literally – their blood was thick. they looked blue. if you hadn’t been aroundthem, they didn’t even know they were blue-looking. they’d been pharmacists and don’t evenremember going to pharmacy school. they have

four kids, and all the kids have lyme disease.that has kind of come on down through, and ground central last year was pennsylvania.it went through new jersey. it’s here in the top of maryland and northern virginianow. that doesn’t mean everybody else isn’t exposed. lyme disease is a, yet again, fromthe proteins and other things created in lyme disease, is an autoimmune, neuro-immune dysfunction.dr. pompa:absolutely. michael:it is, in fact, an infection. it is,in fact, an infection that disrupts the brain. then there are parasites associated that areco-infections, like brucellosis nematodes. there are ehrlichias. there is such a vast– one person here has lou gehrig’s or als, and it’s basically rocky mountain spottedfever moving through her nervous system into

the valvular areas of her brain.the reality is that most of these brain-shrinking diseases are related to low-grade or evenmassive infection. i don’t even know if you need a tick bite to have it anymore.dr. pompa:yeah. no. i think that moms can pass it to children. there’s research nowshowing it can be sexually transmitted. yeah. most people go, “i don’t remember beingbit by a tick.” here’s the interesting thing, michael, is that there’s places onthe east coast where it’s estimated that 90% of the people have been infected withlyme, but yet all of them aren’t sick, right? michael:no –dr. pompa:just like epstein-barr virus – we could go down a lot of lists. people havethese viruses, but they aren’t sick, so

what does that tell us?michael:it tells me that the neuro-immune response is different and stronger in theirbody. here’s the bad news until lately, but men could be out swimming in creeks andhave chiggers and ticks. i would run people and find 600 times the level of antibodiesfor babesia or for borrelia, and they didn’t even have a symptom.dr. pompa:no. i know. i see it, too, and it’s remarkable. i think that there’s two thingshere, at least from my perspective. genetics play a factor, of course, right, but thenthere’s also the other environmental load. these people that have heavy metals that they’vebioaccumulated for years, they get one of these bacteria or viruses, and their bodyis already challenged. the immune system’s

already distracted. these things have a placeto hide from the immune system, and lo and behold, it’s the perfect storm. it seemsthat your already neurotoxic load plays a significant role in who gets sick.michael:look at the similarity again in autism. if i have a neurotoxic mother, autoimmunemother, the chances of that other serial immune injuries will tip me to a chronic illness.if i come out relatively strong, and i have good neuro-immune response, then i may notbe affected the vaccine, or by the viruses, or by the streptococcus that we just saw ina local woman that works for me. we saw strep infection at birth, and they put him rightinto the nicu because they forgot to give them something that would – so right tothe nicu. so many babies are going right to

the nicu.you’re right. if you have the toxic cellular burden that you and i are talking about, thelikelihood of accepting it – you know, it’s a vector disease, and here’s how vectorswork: you’re shooting something into the vector, and the immune system, unpreparedto handle it, says, “wow! i don’t know what that is. should i fight it, or shouldi not?” if it’s a vaccine, it goes into the vectorand re-writes the code. if i don’t have the right genetics, it may say, “i don’tknow what that is. should i be fighting this thing, or should i not?” your immune systemturns on automatically to fight it, and it can’t fight anything else because it’sso busy fighting something that it didn’t

have to fight. it doesn’t have anythingleft over to fight the opportunistic infection. dr. pompa:you brought up â autoimmune withautism, those people watching this would probably go, “what? autism’s autoimmune?” i dida talk several years ago, and i got – people were willing to fight me on that, that, infact, is autoimmune despite the literature that i felt supported that.you said that lyme disease is autoimmune. i’m sure many of our viewers, that’s thefirst time they’ve heard that. i believe autoimmune isâ misdiagnosed, or i should sayit this way, underdiagnosed because we just don’t have the tests to really determineit. we don’t have names for it. it sounds like you’re in agreement with me, that autoimmuneis at the root of most unexplainable illnesses

today.michael:mm-hmm. i’m in complete agreement with you because what it does, it createsan inflammatory neuro-immune response in the meninges. that’s in the new study by nihin the university of virginia. it affects –dr. pompa:michael, what are the meninges? what are the meninges?michael:what’s that? dr. pompa:tell our viewers what the meningesare. michael:the meninges are coverings of cellsand covering of neurological cells. dr. pompa:what you’re saying is their ownimmune system is attacking those areas. correct? michael:right. what i’m saying is that theforeign objects traveling into the nervous

system and even in the brain, the microgliaand other things are activating to fight it. that constant inflammatory response producesyet again another thing, ammonia, peroxynitrites. the microglia activation begins the inflammatoryprocess. dr. pompa:right. the body’s driving thisinflammation because it’s driving its own immune system.michael:a homeopath might say, “which is a great response.” a chiropractor mightsay, “that’s a great response,” but left unattended and chronic, destroys thesystem. dr. pompa:boom. that’s it. we want thatresponse in an acute illness, but the problem is when it continues and continues, that’sthe difference there that we’re talking

about. you know, michael, in your years ofexperience, what’s the answer, honestly? how do we shut off the immune system, michael,because that’s reallyâ whether it’s autism, or whether it’s lyme, or whether it’sa neurodegenerative disease? how do we shut it down?michael:yeah. really good question. we’re still looking for it, and we’re gettingcloser. here’s the story: it’s not a drive-by doctoring situation. you don’t just driveby and doctor it. “oh, here’s your doxycycline for two weeks.” it’s a drive-by. you don’tdo a drive-by with this. again, what acupuncturists do, what homeopathsdo, what chiropractors do – where i’m unique, i went to medical school and studiedbrain and spinal cord injury for three years.

it’s what i do, but it’s not usually froma medical school. it’s usually from a chiropractic school or – anybody who understands energy.what is happening is it’s a disruption of energy, cellular and all that wonderful stuffwe don’t understand, that is prana, chi, or holy spirit surrounding the cell.we don’t completely understand that, but that is getting disrupted, so you’re reallyseparated from your source. you don’t have anything to.â the answer is multi-factorial,or actually the response is multi-factorial. it has to be a rehabilitation process, nota drive-by doctoring process. dr. pompa:i would encourage our viewers towatch an episode we did. meredith could probably tell us the number here if she looks it up.it was on the multi-therapeutic approach,

michael. you’ve heard me teach doctors this.â itis a multi-therapeutic approach. i want people to understand it’s not that one thing. everyonegoes looking for that one thing. we incorporate the cellular detox that we’retalking about. we incorporate target supplements to really reduce inflammation and to changethe things – pathways that we’re talking about. we talk about [buffer] exercise. weutilize ancient healing, fasting, intermittent fasting, diet variation, all of these things.we could add frequency to that, michael. we could add the emotional healing to that. thething is it’s a multi-therapeutic approach. we’re doing all of these things, and that’sthe only way that these chronic conditions will get well, bottom line. the cellular healing.we agree. the cellular detoxâ â€“â we’ve

got to get the cell working. the multi-therapeuticapproach is really all about getting that cell working. i encourage you to watch thatepisode. meredith, i don’t know if you remember which one it was, but –meredith:i do. episode 117 was your multi-therapeutic approach.dr. pompa:yeah. we’re going to have an articleâ on it, as well, and i did a video about it because,michael, i’m so passionate about it. i think that’s my frustration in the doctoring word,even criticism of the alternative world, that it’s not so simple as taking a bucket ofâ thisor that. it’s not so simple. you have to do all of these things that we’re talkingabout in an integrative approach. michael, you know this. i preach this. mygoal is to teach them, you all, this process.

it took you years to get sick. it’s notgoing to be months; it’s going to be years, ultimately, to where you can say, “i’mhealthier today than i was even before those symptoms started.” it is. it’s years.michael:it’s so interesting, again, because my degree is in rehabilitation. we write programs.we don’t write prescriptions. we create programs. one of the things – it might beeven old information – it takes 18 months for nerve endings to heal.dr. pompa:yeah. yeah, yeah. michael:most people leave their program aftersix to nine months. dr. pompa:you know, it’s funny, man. weknow that biblically, seven years it takes the soil to regenerate; seven years, the numberof regeneration, biblically. i always said

when i looked at what i did, the lifestylechanges, the cellular detox, the healing, i literally healed over a seven-year period.even though i got portions of my life back in the first year, it was a seven-year period.i’m very up-front with people. “it takes time, and you have to learn these processes.you have to learn this multi-therapeutic approach.” most people don’t want that, michael. theywant the pill. they want the pill. michael:they want the pill, and i can’thelp that. that’s where the spiritual side – we’re even talking about – repair,restore, and reconnect is the way we say it. we don’t even call it – i did a sundayschool lesson one time that said, “we don’t need any more e-r words,” super, bigger,faster. we don’t need super, bigger, faster

because they are e-r words. they should ber-e words, which would be rejuvenate, repair, restore, reconnect. ultimately, if you donot do source spiritual work, you can’t sustain your recovery.dr. pompa:wow! michael, that’s a powerful statement. you said it. you even brought itto the cell. it’s that something around the cell that we have not identified, science,right now, can’t identify, and it’s something spiritual, isn’t it?michael:it is. i’d love to tell – i’m going to go ahead and say it. i promise, butthis is – i’m 62 now. i don’t care what i say. there’s actually, in cytochrome c,there’s this – it looks like a gold coin in mario brothers, spinning inside the mitochondria.it’s sitting there spinning, and on one

side is life, and on the other side is infinitesource. god is on the other side of cytochrome c.â this is where the vibration piece comes.the vibration piece is so important because if your original source is vibrating at an8.3 hertz or whatever it is, whatever the standing wave in the universe is, everythingin this world right this minute is an orwellian inversion. it’s like every matrix, everythingis off, and we simply can’t apply our own spiritual technologies because we are in kindof a zombie response. we just are not. i used a lot of crazy words there, but – a fewyears ago, i would say, “i can see dark. i can see light in people,” but over thepast two years, after – i’ve been seeing 18- to 25-year-olds that simply don’t haveany thoughts.

dr. pompa:i see those, too.â michael:huh? dr. pompa:i see those, too. michael:yeah. the bottom line is i used tothink the kind of people who said what i had just said were really crazy, but i’m notsure anymore. dr. pompa:you know what? i’ve come a longway on that, myself, michael. michael:yeah. the reason i do frequency workis to bring the vibration of the body up. it’s the quickest way i know how.dr. pompa:i don’t know if you saw the episode where i interviewed bruce lipton. you knowwho he is? wrote biology of belief, brilliant stem cell biologist. the conversation wentin that direction. our thoughts change the

vibration of our cells. it can drive inflammation.it can downregulate inflammation. we talk about neurotoxins, but we know that woundsin our life – we’ve had so many past shows on this – create a different vibration effectin our memory, our membranes, our dna. my gosh. when we remove these emotional toxins,the physical, the chemical, change the vibration in the cell, it’s multi-therapeutic approach.michael:it’s a multi-therapeutic approach including spiritual source.dr. pompa:yeah. michael:my joke has been – i’m reallynot allowed to talk about all this because i’m still a registered republican, and bycharter, we’re supposed to not be empathetic or empathic. it says it right in the charter.nobody laughs anymore, and i said it was a

great joke before george.â the bottom lineis that the cell is still it. i got there at the same time you did, and you just hadreally nice videos and teachings on it. i was pretty taken back by the idea that somebodycould verbalize it. ultimately, in lyme disease, there is a lot of different components. asyou said, a thought actually has negative covalence in the cell, or it has an energy.let’s put it that way. i don’t know what the exact words are – that does change thechemical reactions in the cell, so a thought can be stored in that way.dr. pompa:absolutely. i’ve learned to interview people before i even take them on as a clientto coach because i want to see what their thoughts are. it’s very difficult to changefor people. you can tell by their languageâ whether

they’re helpable at that point or not. maybeone day it will change; however, there’s a time when someone is helpable and when they’renot. you can tell them by the words that they speak, ironically enough. all the greatestwork that you do can be useless with the wrong thoughts and the thought patterns. it’sa major, major interference. that’s for sure. michael, we’re blessed to have youon our side, no doubt. michael:thank you. i’m so glad. dr. pompa:as a cellular healing doctor, wejust need more of us, michael, and that’s my passion is creating more and more of uswith a like mindset and share information. we share information with the united goalto change the world and make a difference.

for me, it’s about really answering theprayers of a crying world. there’s so many people crying out for answers. so much crapis out there, michael. our goal is to make a difference and bring the real deal, andyou’re bringing the real deal, dr. michael. we really appreciate that. we really appreciateyou coming on the show and sharing just a lot of great stuff that we have in commonand we’ve done for years. michael:yeah. thank you very much. it’smy pleasure to be here. i’m pretty sure that we’re going to keep talking about thissomewhere in some venue somewhere. dr. pompa:no doubt about it. we sure will.yeah. michael:okay.dr. pompa:all right, meredith.

meredith:that’s for sure. i thank you somuch, dr. payne, for joining cellular healing tv. what a wealth of knowledge you are. istill have lots of questions for you, so maybe we can you on again in a future show becausethere’s so much alignment with what you and dr. pompa believe and this message. whatyou guys are teaching is so important to bring to the world. thank you both for the showtoday. so grateful for both of you and for all of you listening. hope you got a lot ofvalue out of the show today. i know i sure did. thanks so much, and we’ll see you nextweek. have a great weekend, everybody.

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